11 . Either give turks some bizarre gold heavy unit that is like a skirmisher or give them SO. save.
I am Turkish and this just sounds like a generic, typical, orientalist random sound ! At least the game shall not design the civ opposite to what it was completely ! - Topic tour de bombarde du 11-05-2006 18:21:10 sur les forums de jeuxvideo.com So it is incredibly stupid to see Turks are the ones got this hard end of the stick, this is just stupid. How the game just wastes Mamluks is another disgusting thing.
There was no single Turkish/Turkic scientist that discovered or invented sth new in islamic golden era or in Ottoman era.
For some reason cult games like this do produce cringy fanboys attacking to every criticism like paramilitary troops. Wtf ? Archived. If they had pikemen they'd be totally OP. Posted by 1 year ago.
We are talking about the historical army that defeated Franks in 7th crusade so bad that king Louis fell prisoner 25.000 Franks defeated by 11.600 Mamluks, the army that defeated Mongols several times, the army that ended the presence of crusader states for good ! It has exactly the same stats as the Elite Janissary, apart from the HP. While Europe was going through renaissence Ottomans sat on their ass for 622 years. Historically Timurid architecture is the developed version of Seljuk architecture anyway. Crossbowmen were inferior to composite bowmen.
I only wish they spoke Ottoman Turkish rather than the Istanbul Turkish the speak in the game (the Tatars and the Cumans have a historic language in game, I don't know why the Turks can't. An army known for diversity = the most limited unit roster wtf ?!? There are also Gokturk king names. Most of the cannons at the siege were built by Turkish engineers, including a large bombard by Saruca, while one cannon was built by Orban, who also contributed a large bombard. Tatars is complicated.
Because Evliya Celebi is known to be full of shit. Cumans, well yeah it is accurate enough, they chose the only remaining Kipchak Turkic dialect: Crimean for them. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I think Turks are really fun to play because you know you won't have a second shot with them.
your best bet is to manage to outlast them with spahi CA and that won't work if you don't have all the relics. They have shitty trash, at least give them 1 A+ trash unit, Press J to jump to the feed. An archer was superior to a crossbowmen and Turkish archers were the best composite bowmen of their era. Water maps aren't too bad either. What are these then ? I don’t understand it when people say they would be OP then.
Why would a bowmen upgrade into a crossbowmen , it is superior ? Anyways, i dont quite see how turks are the worst civ, i mean, they are not as slow in the begining as people say they do. Turks were probably one of the most skirmishing oriented culture in medieval times. Buuuuut the Tatars in game speak none of these but Volga Turkic irrelevant to all of these. Trash units The only difficulty I face is the lack of advanced trash units. They never ever used camels ! They also spoke Kicphak Turkic not Arabic. Their mentality didnt allow science to flourish. That gives them a unique play style and feeling in the game. Gokturks spoke Siberian Turkic.
Archived. hide. Just remember the goths' hand cannoners, mayans crossbowmen and celts fireships. 2 years ago. European cavalry was inferior to Eastern World. Log in sign up. because historically Ottoman armies were known for their diversity. Why does the music here so suck when there are good examples like Sid Meiers Civilization series ? I mean if Forgotten Empires want to have a civ that doesnt have trash units just to have a unique civ, go make it Huns or sth. svp comment on fait pour construire des tours de bombarde?? I mean it ist Forgotten Empires fault because it would take too much change at this point and it is better to leave it at this and make sure AOE 4 doesnt follow the same mistake. The Janissary is the unique unit of the Turks in Age of Empires II. Their sound too. Cumans couldnt have that because they were Tengrist, later Christian. This shall be the official topic of ranting about Turks.
Actually Turks havent received a buff since forgotten empires dlc: sipahi tech, in which all the civs received a new tech and they had to give sth to Turks too. It is true that this game doesn't follow the historical armies of the Ottoman empire, but this game is more "inspired" by history than based on history. https://images.app.goo.gl/pfCuwrVgxYS5LTVV6 (Seljuk crossbowmen), https://images.app.goo.gl/42XamfoT6yaR3gaf6, https://images.app.goo.gl/EiHktdF8pYa92vHr5. In fact Europeans were behind in armory compared to others in medieval era. Saladin is an overglorified pathetic idiot. TUTORIAL: Fast Imperial Build Order (Turks) youtu.be/PkgdDx... 17 comments. All the islamic golden age scientists were Persian with some early muslim Arabs and Ottomans never invented anything. Or Turkish inventors such as Hazerfen and other geologist who was later executed. The game just isn’t meant to be too historically accurate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardanelles_Gun, ''At the Siege of Constantinople in 1453, the Ottomans employed a number of cannons, anywhere from 12 cannons to 62 cannons. It is an Arabic loanword. Everyone knows that the turks are the best civ, just ask zeroempires.
Après les petits souvenirs bien sympatoches de Age of Empire, voici maintenant le classement ultime des 13 civilisations de AOE II. Even Azap peasant archers had composite bows and they could use them. Turks were so archery oriented that they sticked with composite bowmen. The Portuguese are a naval civilization that focuses on solid late-game economy and bases their army strength in … Log in sign up. Game is still Eurocentric believe me.
And did mayans have them?
I dont say they shall go as sharp as AOE 3 in terms of units(and believe me it is lacking a lot too, janissaries werent the only infantry Ottos have) but at least it shall be historically fair. I don't see Mexicans angry that Aztec got onagers, cross bows, champions.. Err the whole roster now that I think of it... Lolll. Janissaries were actually renowned for their archery, they adopted muskets later on. Why isnt crossbowmen the ineffective alternative of bowmen ? It is still a traditional support. Even British proved this but they get their longbowmen as unique units at least. I am not muslim. In Ottoman empire, units dealed with gunpowder weapons(muskets and cannoneers) were devshirmeh(converted christians). That's harammm. But steppe lancers are just cheaper and worse alternatives. https://images.app.goo.gl/vo8KoakPjw4n8g1t8. Crossbowmen were historically cheaper, more ineffective alternatives of bowmen. Even architecture !
Now you may think it was easier to recruit a crossbowmen than an archer. was THE superpower of their time, only rivaled by maybe Spain, England and France. Technology and the reason it is given is also completely false ! 4 years ago.
 Orban was from Brassó, Kingdom of Hungary, before working for the Ottoman army in 1453. 21. Timurids arent under 'The Turks' umbrella but rather Tatars. If you mess it up, halberdiers and skirmishers aren't coming to save the day. Thats bullshit. Everyone is saying that this game is not meant to be accurate yet it actually is for many civs and Turks are one of the OG civs of the game so it’s not like they were added later and fixed around what was already there. Turks are classified as gunpowder civilization. It is just mind melting how they wasted, toyed the most charismatic, professional heavy cavalry, the only elite standing troops of its day like that. Ottoman peasants or army didnt speak Ottoman Turkish, it was an imperial jargon. share.
Community for AoE2 players. Janissaries can be upgraded to Elite Janissaries in the Imperial Age. While something new was invented in every city state of Europe Ottoman Empire that was vast as 3 continents sat on its ass for 622 years. Just because they're terrible at Arabia doesn't mean they are complete useless. Since the Turks also get really good CA … Press J to jump to the feed. The game is very Eurocentric, 'Frankish' minded in situations like this. I am into Turkic dialects. You cant. ''The Turks were also highly involved in the sciences and mathematics especially in the area of alchemy that would later form the backbone of modern chemistry. Ofc I wouldnt expect them to do give just one unit of a civ another language, just saying but they shouldnt have been speaking Arabic in AOE 3. It's one of my favs for blackforest and arena, bombarding the enemy from away it's one of the best moments in this game. It is true Turks focused on composite bows rather than crossbows but they had both plus, focus on composite bows is actually a better thing. That’s their “identity” now and it’s hard to change something like that after 20+ years. Because current Turk civilization isnt even somewhat resembling of real Turks. 89% Upvoted. Posted by. I mean if Forgotten Empires want to have a civ that doesnt have trash units just to have a unique civ, go make it Huns or sth. Being an Islamic civilization, they were notable for transmitting this knowledge to the west. Mamluks were Cuman-Kipchak Turks sold into slavery and recruited into elite soldiers. The 20% faster gold and free light cav. Knights actually got those shiny plate armors way later in renaissence era. Ogkhhhhh ! You lost me when you said no Turkic scientist, clearly you do not know much about Buhara school too or who Ulugbeg is along with many others, btw NASA named one of locations in either Moon or Mars with his name. Press J to jump to the feed. Azaps(peasant infantry), specialized janissaries(zırhlı nefer) had teber(halberd in persian), https://images.app.goo.gl/U4iyA79GVNi6dK9b8 (the one in left), https://images.app.goo.gl/Qo4pv34a3h7T363R9 (right), https://images.app.goo.gl/YNFi839Kqw8JLhvk8, https://images.app.goo.gl/oNPvgLuKs2ed5vzL8. Or why does an archer upgrade into a crossbowmen ?
Though it is developed by Relic. because none of their options can compete with the top Archer civs WHILE you have gold. It calls their factions 'civilizations' and throw some civ inspirated bonuses here and there for the sake of the historical theme, but it's not focused in accurately depicting cultures nor events. I have been playing with Turks for more than 10 years. You are out of proportion, say sth wise or leave.
Against any other map though, Turks are actually one of the weaker civilisations. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://images.app.goo.gl/U4iyA79GVNi6dK9b8, https://images.app.goo.gl/Qo4pv34a3h7T363R9, https://images.app.goo.gl/pfCuwrVgxYS5LTVV6. Tatars and Cumans dont speak their authentic language. It is just disgustingly neglectful.
https://images.app.goo.gl/wUMLFwCx9bs88sN19, https://images.app.goo.gl/1QojiJF8rvXRtBUG9. Turks are at the moment arguably the most neglected and most historically and logically conflicting civilization in the game. Turks gather gold rather fast and are a real powerhouse in late imp. Hezarfen was not a scientist. It’s hard to buff them without making them OP, mainly due to the gold bonus. The civ is purely Ottoman. Turks were the cavalry(be it akinji, sipahi, kapikulu, deli, cebeli etc)Though the manifacturer of these gunpowder weapons were mostly Turkish engineers. Turks lost their focus on since later 17 th century. He reported vampires in caucasus.
This game is not meant to be historically accurate, and Turks is hard to balance without making them OP in the late game. Tell me 1 Ottoman invention or discovery. Also maybe those Mexicans would be angry if they didnt have access to Eagle warriors even though they historically did for some reason. TUTORIAL: Fast Imperial Build Order (Turks) Close. They were one of the powerhouses at their time when this game is supposedly taking place. Give the Seljuk AI names to Tatars.
report. I was expecting few comments like this. 3. True, an archer raised harder but Turks were such an archer oriented civilization that even the peasants(azap infantry) were composite bowmen. It's not about Turkey or history, it's about game balance. This is a game tho, not a simulator. Et avant que tu te plaignes, Well, yeah?
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